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Showing posts with label politics. Show all posts
Katanya karna melanggar ijin
Kejadiaannya baru kemaren.
Lupakan masalah FPI.
Yang jadi interest sebenarnya adalah SKB tiga menteri itu. How on earth gua mau bersekutu sama teman-teman gua untuk berbakti butuh ijin dari walikota/bupati. Saya ngga tahu apa buat teman2 Muslim peraturan ini menggelikan. Mungkin tidak, karena teman2 Muslim tidak merasakan bahwa peraturan ini benar-benar dijalankan untuk mereka. Gua jadi ingat kesaksian seorang WN RRC di gereja yang bilang kalo mereka kebaktian tuh susah. Gua jadi mikir apa negara ini udah sama dengan negara komunis ?
Kecuali emang maslah tanahnya yang bermasalah (kepemilikan dll)
Masalah kristenisasi.
-isasi adalah hal yang natural dari setiap agama. Saya sering liat di sekitar rumah saya ada pamflet "Pengajian oleh Ust. XX, mantan Anggota Kristen bla bla bla".. Ok, bagi gua mah ga pp. Lha sampai di koran Pikiran Rakyat aja ada cerita bagaimana orang Kristen yang convert jadi Muslim. Tapi coba bayangkan yang dipamflet itu hal yang sebaliknya ? Ok ngga ? Jangankan sampai tertulis di koran!
Semua agama melakukan -isasi.
Jadi perlu diakui, ini semua intinya bukan maslaah peraturan tapi masalah suka atau ngga suka, mayoritas dan minoritas. Memang ada orang2 Muslim yang fair. Tetapi banyak juga bagian dari masyarakat kita yang kebetulan punya waktu senggang yang banyak, 'peduli' dengan setiap kegiatan yang orang lain lakukan contohnya ya FPI ini.
"Negara menjamin kebebasan tiap warga negara untuk beridabadah menurut bla bla bla.."
Ngga perlu dijelaskan bahwa di kebanyakan tempat, mendapatkan ijin untuk gereja itu susah. Mungkin aja kepala daerah setempat setuju untuk sebuah gereja untuk didirikan.. tetapi gimana dengan masyarakat sekitar ?
Dan untuk menghindari keributan si kepala daerahnya terpaksa menolak pendirian gereja itu. Akhirnya kutipan di atas jadi ngga berlaku, karena yang menang sebenarnya keinginan masyarakat banyak.
Jadi sebenarnya ujung permasalahan ada di masyarakat kita yang cenderung fanatik, rasis, tidak fair, dan bodoh. Dan pikiran suudzon gua, hal2 tersebutlah yang mendasari SKB 3 menteri itu.
Kalo ternyata masalah ini jatuh pada persoalan teologis (misalnya, Muslim secara langsung atau tidak langsung harus, bagaimanapun caranya, tidak memperbolehkan jumlah jemaatnya berkurang) ya mau gimana lagi..
Berarti kita yang bukan muslim ini apes aja kebetulan lahir di tengah masyarakat yang kebanyakan Muslim.
Solusi
Banyak. Tapi yang menurut gua paling realistis adalah menambah disclaimer disamping kutipan UUD 45 di atas. Atau nambahin superscript asterik di atas kata terakhir pada ayat UUD itu, trus bikin footnote: (*Kalau masyarakat sekitar setuju).
Dengan demikian orang2 nonmuslim ga usah mikir terlalu naif untuk bisa beribadah dengan leluasa.
*mencoba memposisikan diri sebagai kristen, seperti dulu*
Lupakan masalah FPI.
Yang jadi interest sebenarnya adalah SKB tiga menteri itu. How on earth gua mau bersekutu sama teman-teman gua untuk berbakti butuh ijin dari walikota/bupati. Saya ngga tahu apa buat teman2 Muslim peraturan ini menggelikan. Mungkin tidak, karena teman2 Muslim tidak merasakan bahwa peraturan ini benar-benar dijalankan untuk mereka. Gua jadi ingat kesaksian seorang WN RRC di gereja yang bilang kalo mereka kebaktian tuh susah. Gua jadi mikir apa negara ini udah sama dengan negara komunis ?
Kecuali emang maslah tanahnya yang bermasalah (kepemilikan dll)
Masalah kristenisasi.
-isasi adalah hal yang natural dari setiap agama. Saya sering liat di sekitar rumah saya ada pamflet "Pengajian oleh Ust. XX, mantan Anggota Kristen bla bla bla".. Ok, bagi gua mah ga pp. Lha sampai di koran Pikiran Rakyat aja ada cerita bagaimana orang Kristen yang convert jadi Muslim. Tapi coba bayangkan yang dipamflet itu hal yang sebaliknya ? Ok ngga ? Jangankan sampai tertulis di koran!
Semua agama melakukan -isasi.
Jadi perlu diakui, ini semua intinya bukan maslaah peraturan tapi masalah suka atau ngga suka, mayoritas dan minoritas. Memang ada orang2 Muslim yang fair. Tetapi banyak juga bagian dari masyarakat kita yang kebetulan punya waktu senggang yang banyak, 'peduli' dengan setiap kegiatan yang orang lain lakukan contohnya ya FPI ini.
"Negara menjamin kebebasan tiap warga negara untuk beridabadah menurut bla bla bla.."
Ngga perlu dijelaskan bahwa di kebanyakan tempat, mendapatkan ijin untuk gereja itu susah. Mungkin aja kepala daerah setempat setuju untuk sebuah gereja untuk didirikan.. tetapi gimana dengan masyarakat sekitar ?
Dan untuk menghindari keributan si kepala daerahnya terpaksa menolak pendirian gereja itu. Akhirnya kutipan di atas jadi ngga berlaku, karena yang menang sebenarnya keinginan masyarakat banyak.
Jadi sebenarnya ujung permasalahan ada di masyarakat kita yang cenderung fanatik, rasis, tidak fair, dan bodoh. Dan pikiran suudzon gua, hal2 tersebutlah yang mendasari SKB 3 menteri itu.
Kalo ternyata masalah ini jatuh pada persoalan teologis (misalnya, Muslim secara langsung atau tidak langsung harus, bagaimanapun caranya, tidak memperbolehkan jumlah jemaatnya berkurang) ya mau gimana lagi..
Berarti kita yang bukan muslim ini apes aja kebetulan lahir di tengah masyarakat yang kebanyakan Muslim.
Solusi
Banyak. Tapi yang menurut gua paling realistis adalah menambah disclaimer disamping kutipan UUD 45 di atas. Atau nambahin superscript asterik di atas kata terakhir pada ayat UUD itu, trus bikin footnote: (*Kalau masyarakat sekitar setuju).
Dengan demikian orang2 nonmuslim ga usah mikir terlalu naif untuk bisa beribadah dengan leluasa.
*mencoba memposisikan diri sebagai kristen, seperti dulu*
Flotilla Incident: IDF's Stupidity played its role
Okay, this is my last post about the flotilla incident.
Indonesian medias have always been unfair on the Israel-Palestine report. Things get worse when people dont bother to recheck to another newspaper, which are provided on-line (like BBC, NYTime, Guardian or The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz on this particular issue). Yes, those media could as well be unjust. But you might dig more facts by having more sources.
You read indonesian medias, you get the counclusion : IDF raided the ship and shot people around all of a sudden. That gives you the impression: these Israeli troops are animal!. But from all that all-week-long tvnews and pages-fulling newspaper report, you could not find a piece of information of these necessary questions:
1. Have the IDF warned the ship not to break the security blockade?
2. Which was the first : resistance or shooting?
3. Any victims on the IDF side?
Those reports are just babbling how mad israeli troops are.
Now, for my fellow indonesian, try to read another source. And by doing that you might discover these facts :
1. IDF have warned the ship not to break the security blockade, but the ship refused to stop. I doubt its authenticity, but this video shows crew's offensive respond to that warn.
2. There was also victim on IDF side. This soldier was (reportedly) beaten to death
3. The were attacked first then they fired shoots
If they intended tho kill the activists, they could have just done it from the helicopter, why is that so hard? Why did they have to broad troops on the ship?
The only convincing plot was, one of those troops intended to go to the ships captain, put gun on its head and threat him to fall the ship back, while the other back up.
Now this is exactly why i put the title so.
The stupidity is, they didnt consider the possibility of resistance.
They didnt expect the resistance. They should had been equipped with non-lethal weapon to overcome the resistance.
And under that unconsidered situation, troops went panic and fired a shoot.
Here i find a thorough article in bahasa. Also read the comments.
Im pretty sure those facts might turn people's opinion.
Indonesian medias have always been unfair on the Israel-Palestine report. Things get worse when people dont bother to recheck to another newspaper, which are provided on-line (like BBC, NYTime, Guardian or The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz on this particular issue). Yes, those media could as well be unjust. But you might dig more facts by having more sources.
You read indonesian medias, you get the counclusion : IDF raided the ship and shot people around all of a sudden. That gives you the impression: these Israeli troops are animal!. But from all that all-week-long tvnews and pages-fulling newspaper report, you could not find a piece of information of these necessary questions:
1. Have the IDF warned the ship not to break the security blockade?
2. Which was the first : resistance or shooting?
3. Any victims on the IDF side?
Those reports are just babbling how mad israeli troops are.
Now, for my fellow indonesian, try to read another source. And by doing that you might discover these facts :
1. IDF have warned the ship not to break the security blockade, but the ship refused to stop. I doubt its authenticity, but this video shows crew's offensive respond to that warn.
2. There was also victim on IDF side. This soldier was (reportedly) beaten to death
3. The were attacked first then they fired shoots
If they intended tho kill the activists, they could have just done it from the helicopter, why is that so hard? Why did they have to broad troops on the ship?
The only convincing plot was, one of those troops intended to go to the ships captain, put gun on its head and threat him to fall the ship back, while the other back up.
Now this is exactly why i put the title so.
The stupidity is, they didnt consider the possibility of resistance.
They didnt expect the resistance. They should had been equipped with non-lethal weapon to overcome the resistance.
And under that unconsidered situation, troops went panic and fired a shoot.
Here i find a thorough article in bahasa. Also read the comments.
Im pretty sure those facts might turn people's opinion.
On the anti-Israel Spirit : Nothing to do with religion. Really?
Many of em say so. And of course I know many of ship’s boarder are not muslim. But on the broadest view, Im becoming more convinced this crazy shit is actually religion fueled. First I’m gonna show you a piece of video and photo:
If this really for humanity alone, do they have to chant the religious mantra ? Do the have to wear the religious dress code ? Koran’s excerpt on the poster?
Plus :
Tibetan Monk
Do they ever care about Tibetans under China oppression ? Do they ever care about Georgia striked off by Russians? DO THEY EVER EVEN CARE ABOUT PAPUANS?
Now tell me this has nothing to do with religion !
Well I sort of relieved. Looks like im not the only one who lose humanity.
If this really for humanity alone, do they have to chant the religious mantra ? Do the have to wear the religious dress code ? Koran’s excerpt on the poster?
Plus :
Convoys of Russian troops
Tibetan Monk
Do they ever care about Tibetans under China oppression ? Do they ever care about Georgia striked off by Russians? DO THEY EVER EVEN CARE ABOUT PAPUANS?
Now tell me this has nothing to do with religion !
Well I sort of relieved. Looks like im not the only one who lose humanity.
The Flotilla Incident Just Don’t Make Me Feel Bad
I do feel bad sometimes. Not because those people who got shot and the incident, but for not getting the feel ‘bad’ for those who got shot and the people of Gaza in general. I mean, i look people around it looks like theyre so distressed; marching on the street, burning flags, or at the least putting palestinian flag on their facebook profpic.
I look at my self. I just don’t get the feel BAD. Have I gone inhuman? I might have.
I look at my self. I just don’t get the feel BAD. Have I gone inhuman? I might have.
Everybody Draws ‘You Know Who’ Day
They celebrate the Everybody Draws Muhammad Day. You guys don’t? Well you probably shouldn’t.
I watched tv news making a fuss on this last night. Really, i said what the fuck all the time while watched it. I don’t know whether the anchor and the Islamist guy (maybe from FPI, couldnt recall) being interviewed don’t care about the reason behind this celebration or, as most likely it is, these guys are too stupid to grasp the SATIRE.
They are not wanting to ‘lit up fire’ against muslims. They are asking the question why we took grant a sacred place for particular religion (i.e. Islam) in our society ? You’d see many as crazy as Jesus eats crap both on the internet or printed media. Or Budha snuffing (like in south park). But no christian or buddhist announces death threat like this.
Jewish, Buddhist, Christian, Hindus, Scientologist, Morons upps sorry Mormons, they don’t care. The thing is no types of deity is free of critique, mockery and ridicule. *Except my god, The Flying Spaghetti Moster ;P.
Anyway here is my drawing :
What do you say?
Im not gonna post it on the page though.
I watched tv news making a fuss on this last night. Really, i said what the fuck all the time while watched it. I don’t know whether the anchor and the Islamist guy (maybe from FPI, couldnt recall) being interviewed don’t care about the reason behind this celebration or, as most likely it is, these guys are too stupid to grasp the SATIRE.
They are not wanting to ‘lit up fire’ against muslims. They are asking the question why we took grant a sacred place for particular religion (i.e. Islam) in our society ? You’d see many as crazy as Jesus eats crap both on the internet or printed media. Or Budha snuffing (like in south park). But no christian or buddhist announces death threat like this.
Jewish, Buddhist, Christian, Hindus, Scientologist, Morons upps sorry Mormons, they don’t care. The thing is no types of deity is free of critique, mockery and ridicule. *Except my god, The Flying Spaghetti Moster ;P.
Anyway here is my drawing :
What do you say?
Im not gonna post it on the page though.
Was Jesus A Communist ?
I was sitting in the back row at church. During the sermon I discussed with a friend, an older friend. I forget what were our talks about, some that I can recall was that he was a member of GMNI (Gerakan Mahasiswa Nasional Indonesia) back at his college years. In case you never heard of this group, this group is noted for its leftish perspective of economics ideal. And by that talks I drew the conclusion that his stance had not been changed at the moment. I asked, “Isnt communism already dead? You know Russian perestroika and stuff? “.
He did make some argumen to back up his stance. And one of those, lies on Acts 4 verse 32 :
He read that verse softly, since it was sermon, and by the end he told me convincingly, “Mari Pak, kita bergabung bersama masyarakat komunal !”.
I laughed a bit loud realizing that someone had just convinced me communism with bible verse. What an irony!
The problem is anyone with any types of idealism could easily pick particular verse to back up his conviction. Cherry-picking bible verse, you might justify inquisition by catholics in the dark ages, marxism, merchantilism, capitalism, anything! Even white supremacist acts.
Besides, religious scriptures need interpretation. And that intepretation is influenced by pre-existed conviction within the interpreter.
He did make some argumen to back up his stance. And one of those, lies on Acts 4 verse 32 :
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
He read that verse softly, since it was sermon, and by the end he told me convincingly, “Mari Pak, kita bergabung bersama masyarakat komunal !”.
I laughed a bit loud realizing that someone had just convinced me communism with bible verse. What an irony!
The problem is anyone with any types of idealism could easily pick particular verse to back up his conviction. Cherry-picking bible verse, you might justify inquisition by catholics in the dark ages, marxism, merchantilism, capitalism, anything! Even white supremacist acts.
Besides, religious scriptures need interpretation. And that intepretation is influenced by pre-existed conviction within the interpreter.
Just when will this happen in Indonesia
These guys dont have to be worry about their head being decapitated.
They also have this kind of cleric
They also have this kind of cleric
They let me down on this one
I've had an encounter some times ago with a theist over the case of Homosexuality. The discussion could be found in ITB's internal forum (which only accessible within campus).
As a liberal secularist, i immediately challenge the idea that Homosexual acts is morally wrong, even by letting aside religion.
His reason was: any part of our body used out of its functionality (like anus used to do anal sex) is wrong.
AS a rebuttal, i argued that 'functionality' is mean-dependent. Mouth is not for oral sex for sure. But anyone has problem with oral sex? As well as hand with 'handjob'. Nobody got a problem with that.
The debate went on and pretty much equal until the question: What about incest? appeared.
Yes, we all know that is plain wrong, we dont waste time arguing over it. But it seems i couldnt find logical reason behind it.
Then i send an email to PZ Myers about that question. But no reply.
For the record, people in relatively secular like USA, dont have problem with gay.
But if we could not provide a logic reason to ban incest, why do we need one to ban homosexuality?
Later that i know, that PZ Myers actually propose the possibility that science can not answer moral questions, contrary to Sam Harris 'its matter of time science will answer'.
To say it so, its been hundred years since the development of modern science scientist could not find the answer, they let me down.
It now seems reasonable to me that homosexual is wrong. Without any further reasoning.
As a liberal secularist, i immediately challenge the idea that Homosexual acts is morally wrong, even by letting aside religion.
His reason was: any part of our body used out of its functionality (like anus used to do anal sex) is wrong.
AS a rebuttal, i argued that 'functionality' is mean-dependent. Mouth is not for oral sex for sure. But anyone has problem with oral sex? As well as hand with 'handjob'. Nobody got a problem with that.
The debate went on and pretty much equal until the question: What about incest? appeared.
Yes, we all know that is plain wrong, we dont waste time arguing over it. But it seems i couldnt find logical reason behind it.
Then i send an email to PZ Myers about that question. But no reply.
For the record, people in relatively secular like USA, dont have problem with gay.
But if we could not provide a logic reason to ban incest, why do we need one to ban homosexuality?
Later that i know, that PZ Myers actually propose the possibility that science can not answer moral questions, contrary to Sam Harris 'its matter of time science will answer'.
To say it so, its been hundred years since the development of modern science scientist could not find the answer, they let me down.
It now seems reasonable to me that homosexual is wrong. Without any further reasoning.
Sepertinya definisi toleransi telah berubah
Baru saja mendengarkan kotbah salah satu ustad terkenal di televisi.
Salah satu yang awak ingat "Contoh toleransi adalah dengan MEMBIARKAN umat lain menjalankan ibadahnya"
Dude! sejak kapan standar toleransi turun seperti itu ?
Anda belum dikatakan toleran bila hanya membiarkan masuk kelas, murid yang datang sebelum jam 7. Ketika kita telat 10-15 menit, tapi pak dosen masih membolehkan kita masuk, baru kita bilang "Oh bapak itu toleran ya"
No wonder kenapa sering terjadi hal-hal seperti ini
Kalo memang toleran, apa mereka butuh IMB agar bisa beribadah?
Salah satu yang awak ingat "Contoh toleransi adalah dengan MEMBIARKAN umat lain menjalankan ibadahnya"
Dude! sejak kapan standar toleransi turun seperti itu ?
Anda belum dikatakan toleran bila hanya membiarkan masuk kelas, murid yang datang sebelum jam 7. Ketika kita telat 10-15 menit, tapi pak dosen masih membolehkan kita masuk, baru kita bilang "Oh bapak itu toleran ya"
No wonder kenapa sering terjadi hal-hal seperti ini
Kalo memang toleran, apa mereka butuh IMB agar bisa beribadah?
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